are not Satanic
Williams Explains the Reasons Why
members of the clergy
and organizations, such as the
Christian Research Institute,
are often highly critical of NDEs and view them as a tremendous
threat to the Christian faith and their parishes. They accuse
the Being of Light to be a sinister lying devil masquerading
as an angel of light preaching a different gospel because
he isn't interested in theology at all. Some Christian skeptics
say the Being of Light only mimics the real Jesus of the
Bible in order to lead the flock away from the true Jesus
and the authority of Church.
As a seeker of the truth who has
studied Christian theology and NDEs extensively for decades,
I am saddened when I hear this kind of misrepresentation
of an experience so spiritually beautiful and lovely. Personally,
sometimes I feel like
when he said he wishes he were cursed and cut off from Christ
for the sake of his brothers in order to win them over.
These critics - who are still our brothers - servants with
flames of fire are zealous defenders of the Christian tradition
and this is good. But their uninformed criticism of the
profound and lofty divine revelations found in the NDE is
very dangerous. It is equivalent to rushing into forbidden
labyrinths where angels fear to tread.
This kind of misunderstanding
is often the result of judging spiritual ideas by a narrow
interpretation of the Bible rather than by the method given
in the Bible. The Bible teaches us to test all the spirits
to see whether or not they are of God because not all spirits
come from God. How do we test the spirits? When Jesus was
accused of performing miracles by the spirit of the devil,
Jesus replied that a tree is judged by its fruit. A bad
tree cannot bear good fruit. Nor can a good tree bear bad
fruit. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace,
etc. With this in mind, you can judge for yourself whether
a particular spirit discussed here is a bad tree or a good
tree. If there is an absence of the good fruit of love,
joy and peace, then you know the spirit is not of God and
is a bad tree. If there is an abundance of the good fruit
of love, joy and peace, then you know the spirit is true
and is a good tree. This is not a matter to be taken lightly.
Either a near-death experience shows Jesus to be a demonic
lying spirit of evil who bears only the rotting fruit of
Satanic hatred for everyone; or, a near-death experience
shows Jesus to be a good tree bearing the Holy Spirit's
fruit of love, joy and peace. There is no middle ground
so choose wisely. After Jesus told his accusers to judge
a tree by its fruit, he then taught them about the seriousness
of blasphemy and attributing the work of the Holy Spirit
to the devil.
A Debate With a
The following are rebuttals against
the arguments of a
well-known Christian seminary
professor and critic
of the NDE. In his book the professor discounts all NDEs
as not conforming to his narrow interpretation of the Bible
and as being the work of the devil.
Who is the Being of Light reported in NDEs?
There are many Beings of Light appearing in NDEs. The Bible
declares God is light (1 John 1:5). People in the higher
spirit realms emanate this light that is God. The Being
of Light can be literally anyone: Jesus, Buddha, the Hindu
god of death, an angel, or even a deceased loved one for
example. It usually depends on the person's religious bias
and cultural background. NDEs reveal that God's light is
manifested within many beings in the spirit realm.
It has been claimed by some people that one of the Beings
of Light is Jesus Christ. This seems to be wrong because
this being says and does things that are contrary to the
Jesus in the Bible. Since Jesus never changes (Heb. 13:8)
it would be impossible for this Being of Light to be the
same Jesus revealed in the Bible. Some believe many of the
people having NDEs encounter a counterfeit Jesus.
The Being of Light in NDEs cannot be counterfeit because
this being passes the test given by Jesus. It is the test
to determine whether the spirit is of God or not.
"Do not believe every
spirit, but test the spirits to see whether
they are of God .." (1 John 4:1)
Jesus himself gives
us the test. According to the gospels, Jesus was accused
by the religious leaders of performing his miracles by the
power of Satan. This is the same accusation the professor
brings against the Being of Light in NDEs. This accusation
is made even though both Jesus and the Being of Light bears
incredible love, joy, peace, and all the fruits of the Holy
Jesus' reply to this
"Every kingdom divided
against itself will be ruined, and every city
or household divided against itself will not
stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided
against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom
do your people drive them out? So then, they
will be your judges. But if I drive out demons
by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God
has come upon you ...
Make a tree good and
its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and
its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized
by its fruit."
|And what is the fruit that
Jesus is referring to? He is referring to the fruit
of the Holy Spirit. What is the fruit of the Holy
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control." (Galatians 5:22-23)
Anyone familiar with
NDEs knows the Being of Light gives an astonishing amount
of goodness, holiness, love, joy, peace and such. Jesus
made it very clear Satan cannot produce the fruit of the
spirit. But what about the spirit itself? God is light.
Is Satan light too? Some critics use the Bible verse below
to judge the Being of Light to be Satanic.
"Satan himself masquerades
as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14)
Notice that the verse
states that Satan masquerades as an angel of light. The
verse does not say he actually is an angel of light. It
means that Satan can look like a good tree, but he is totally
devoid of light and totally devoid of the fruits of the
Holy Spirit. This verse describes Satan's ability to deceive
people into believing he is an angel of light. But we cannot
be deceived if we use the test given by Jesus. Using this
test we can ask: Is there good fruit involved with the Being
of Light? If so, then it must be of God. Is there not good
fruit involved? If not, then the Being of Light must be
out for false prophets. They come to you in
sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious
wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs
from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears
good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad
tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that
does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will
recognize them." (Matthew 7:15-20)
It should be obvious
to anyone who is even slightly familiar with the Being of
Light and NDEs that this test confirms the Being of Light
to be of God. NDEs show an astonishing amount of unconditional
love from the Being of Light. And overwhelming love is the
most common and greatest characteristic found in my research
of fifty NDEs I profile on this website.
God is light. There
is no light in darkness. Nor is there darkness in light.
Satan is no angel of light and no good tree bearing good
fruit. The Being of Light reveals a tremendous amount of
light and this light can only come from God. Satan cannot
produce light, love, joy, peace, or any of the fruits of
the Holy Spirit. NDEs do produce these fruit.
There are very serious
consequences of attributing things of God to Satan. When
Jesus was accused of performing miracles by the power of
Satan and before he gave the test:
so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will
be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the
Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks
a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven,
but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit
will not be forgiven, either in this age or
in the age to come." (Matthew 12:31-32)
Jesus makes very
clear the grave consequences of attributing to Satan the
works of the Holy Spirit. Like the professor, many critics
are quick to declare that the Beings of Light in NDEs are
Satanic. They probably don't realize that they may be dangerously
close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Jesus said such behavior
is a sin that cannot be forgiven.
idea that the Beings of Light in NDEs are sinister or of
the devil, ignores common sense.
Dr. Raymond Moody
is considered the father of the NDE and he responded to
this kind of criticism in his latest book entitled
The Last Laugh.
critics see nothing amiss in preaching to Aunt
Florene, bereft and kindly and fragile though
she may be, that it was not really the spirit
of Uncle Hamperd who visited her last week to
comfort her and to tell her where he put those
important papers. No, it was actually a malignant
demon disguised as uncle Hamperd, there to lure
her into Hell, so she had better go home and
read the Bible.
doctrine that the Devil can disguise himself
as Christ must be particularly troubling to
fundamentalist authorities as they consider
the possibilities of pediatric NDEs. Does God
permit Satan to fool dying kids by masquerading
as Jesus? Or is God powerless to prevent that
kind of Satanic deception? If so, common decency
dictates that funda-Christian NDExperts urgently
prepare clear, precise instructions that will
enable desperately ill, dying pre-schoolers
to distinguish a Satanophanic Jesus from the
real, true funda-Christian one. And would God
allow the Devil to sneak up on a dying toddler
by appearing as Santa Claus or Pat Robertson,
Jerry Falwell or the Easter Bunny?"
To demonstrate how
foolish the professor's arguments are, here is a direct
quote from the professor's own book on how the Being of
Light is a counterfeit Jesus:
if the loving, brilliantly illuminated being
you meet during a near-death experience introduces
himself as Jesus, and looks just like him from
the paintings, don't believe him for a minute!
You've got to put him to the professor's ideological
test first. Jesus has to pass the professor's
Bible exam, before he can even be him!"
Such statements are
completely absurd. The professor errs because he limits
Jesus to his own narrow interpretation of the Bible. Any
NDE bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit and passing Christ's
test must not be said to be of the devil. It would be blasphemous
to do so.
Perhaps this explains
why the NDE described in 2 Cor. 12:2-4 states these are
inexpressible things which people were not permitted to
talk about in those days. These matters may have simply
been too high for first century Christians to understand
and some twentieth century professors. We must test the
spirit of NDEs - not using the test of the professor - but
rather the test from Jesus. In doing so you will find NDEs
do bear much fruit of the Holy Spirit.
The Beings of Light appearing in NDEs teach the idea
that death is good and is not to be feared.
is not true. NDEs generally show that if a person is not
prepared for death their experience after death is not very
good and should be greatly feared. A case in point is
Rev. Howard Storm
and his NDE. Howard lived the life of an atheist and treated
people very badly. He was not prepared for death when he
died because he ends up in hell when he does. The result
of death is that some people do go to hell. Hellish NDEs
make up a large number of reported NDEs. It is false to
claim the Beings of Light teach the idea that death is good
and should not be feared. In fact, some NDEs prove otherwise.
The Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach that
sin is not a problem. In fact, the Being of Light believed
to be Jesus often responds to human sin and shortcomings
This is not true. Many NDEs show that if a person lives
a sinful life their experience will be a big problem for
them after death. The fact is that Jesus appears in NDEs
to be very sad about the sin of humanity.
Dr. George Ritchie
and his NDE is a case in point. During his NDE, Dr. Ritchie
notices how sad Jesus is for those in hell. To say otherwise
is to display ignorance about NDEs.
The Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach that
there is no hell to worry about.
This is not true. Dr. George Ritchie's NDE and Rev. Howard
Storm's NDE are perfect examples of the reality of hell.
The Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach that
all people are welcome to heaven regardless of whether or
not they are a Christian.
This is not true. Many NDEs show that some people do go
to hell. Although it is God's will for everyone to go to
heaven (1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9) many people do
not. NDEs in general show that faith in Christ alone does
not guarantee anyone a ticket to heaven. This is supported
by scripture also:
everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will
enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who
does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did
we not prophesy in your name, and in your name
drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you.
Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
The Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach
that all religions are valid.
This is not true. The Jesus in NDEs states that God does
not care about a person's religion - only the condition
of their heart. Many NDEs show that a person's religious
beliefs (or lack thereof) can make the difference in how
they perceive their spiritual condition in the spirit realm.
All religions have some truth in them which certain people
need. But the Jesus of the NDE does not teach that all religions
are valid; he teaches that religions are outward doctrines
that can lead people within to true religion - the spirit
of unconditional love. For example, after Rev. Howard Storm
was rescued from hell by Jesus during his NDE he had this
exchange with Jesus:
them, for example, which was the best religion.
I was looking for an answer which was like:
'Presbyterians.' I figured these guys were all
answer I got was: 'The best religion is the
religion that brings you closest to God.'"
shows the goal of religion is to bring a person closer to
God. It is also implied that some religions bring you closer
to God than others. Although a person's religious beliefs
(or lack thereof) can influence the quality of their afterlife
experience a person's religious affiliation or church membership
itself does not seem to matter much to Jesus. After all,
if religion really mattered wouldn't everyone in heaven
Jesus did not come
preaching some new religion. Jesus preached love. NDEs reveal
that it is love, not religion, that creates spiritual growth
and saves us from a hell of our own making. It is clear
from the gospel accounts alone that Jesus is not concerned
about a person's religious status. Jesus told the religious
leaders who killed him that the prostitutes were going to
enter heaven before they did (Matthew 21:31).
It is clear from
NDEs that the Bible and common sense that religion is a
cultural institution. On the other hand, love is universal
and not limited to a particular culture. According to the
Sermon on the Mount, love is the greatest religion there
is. Love is also what many of the great world religions
is all about. However not everyone practices this religion
In view of the fact that these ideas go against what the
Jesus of the Bible taught, we have reason to conclude that
the Jesus appearing in NDEs is in fact a lying spirit.
This is not true. The Jesus appearing in many NDEs does
not go against what the Bible teaches. Such experiences
may go against the professor's narrow interpretation of
what Jesus said; but they do not go against what Jesus said.
The professor has not tested the spirits properly. He is
making the same mistake of the Pharisees by testing the
spirits using your own narrow interpretation of scripture.
The correct test is Jesus' test to judge by their fruit.
If no fruit of the Holy Spirit is present, then it is safe
to assume it is not of God. Jesus bore much fruit of the
Holy Spirit yet was condemned by the religious leaders because
he did not fit into their interpretation of scripture. Had
they properly tested the spirits and judged Jesus on the
basis of his fruit, he probably would not have been crucified.
In the same way, if the professor would test the Jesus appearing
in NDEs based on his fruit he would not be accusing him
of being a lying spirit.
The Jesus appearing in NDEs is happy to mimic the Jesus
of the Bible if the end result is that he can lead people
away from the true Jesus of the Bible.
The Jesus appearing in NDEs bears much fruit of the Holy
Spirit. Remember, the Jesus of the Bible had this to say
about testing the spirits:
a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make
a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a
tree is recognized by its fruit." (Matthew 12:24-37)
tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot
bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:18)
Even the professor
must admit that the Jesus appearing in NDEs bears much fruit
of love. But since the professor is testing the spirits
using his own narrow interpretation of scripture and not
testing by the fruit. It is HE who is leading people astray.
Many people who had a NDE come away from the experience
with a lesser view of the Bible. One person even concluded
the Lord isn't interested in theology and another said that
God didn't care about church doctrine at all. The Jesus
of the Bible, however, is certainly interested in correct
Such generalities about near-death experiencers having a
lesser view of the Bible is completely bogus. Common sense
tells one that generalities such as this cannot be true.
One cannot make a correlation between having a NDE and having
a lower view of the Bible.
Notice the professor does not
cite the NDEs that lead him to this conclusion. Nevertheless,
the person the professor mentions who concluded the Lord
isn't interested in theology is
Reverend Howard Storm.
It is a true statement to say that God is not interested
in theology. Here is the complete account of what Howard
I asked, for example, "What about the Bible?"
They responded, "What
about it?" I asked if it was true, and they
said it was.
them why it was that when I tried to read it,
all I saw were contradictions, they took me
back to my life's review again something that
I had overlooked. They showed me, for the few
times I had opened the Bible, that I had read
it with the idea of finding contradictions and
problems. I was trying to prove to myself that
it wasn't worth reading.
to them that the Bible wasn't clear to me. It
didn't make sense. They told me that it contained
spiritual truth, and that I had to read it spiritually
in order to understand it. It should be read
informed me that it was not like other books.
They also told me, and I later found out this
was true, that when you read it prayerfully,
it talks to you. It reveals itself to you. And
you don't have to work at it anymore ... [at
the end of his experience, Storm says:] I try
not to impose my Christianity on other people.
If people have God-like characteristics, a feeling
of compassion and living that out, then its
ok. I respond more to behavior than philosophy.
God really doesn't care about theology.
If you read about
the NDEs of Reverend Howard Storm and George Ritchie you
will see why God does not care about theology or how many
angels can dance on the head of a pin.
do reveal a great concern for the commands of God. Love
is the command of God (Rom. 13:10, John 15:12) However,
concerning theology or rules taught by men it is clear that
Christ himself doesn't care about it:
hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied
about you: "These people honor me with
their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are
but rules taught by men." (Matthew 15:7-9)
7:7-13 states, "They worship me in vain; their
teachings are but rules taught by men. You have
let go of the commands of God and are holding
on to the traditions of men.
he said to them: 'You have a fine way of setting
aside the commands of God in order to observe
your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor
your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who
curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
you say that if a man says to his father or
mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have
received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift
devoted to God), then you no longer let him
do anything for his father or mother. Thus you
nullify the word of God by your tradition that
you have handed down. And you do many things
like that." (Mark 7:7-13)
Paul has this to say
about rules taught by men:
you died with Christ to the basic principles
of this world, why, as though you still belonged
to it, do you submit to its rules: 'Do not handle!
Do not taste! Do not touch!?' These are all
destined to perish with use, because they are
based on human commands and teachings. Such
regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom,
with their self-imposed worship, their false
humility and their harsh treatment of the body,
but they lack any value in restraining sensual
indulgence." (Colossians 2:20-23)
The Jesus of the Bible is certainly interested in correct
doctrine. John 8:31-32 support this.
Jews who had believed in him, Jesus said, 'If
you hold to my teachings, you are really my
disciples. Then you will know the truth, and
the truth will set you free.'" (John 8:31-32)
The teachings of Christ is not theology. Jesus taught unconditional
love - not theology. It was theologians who had Jesus crucified.
Jesus taught that love is the sign of a true disciple of
"All men will know that
you are my disciples if you love one another."
Jesus did not say, "All
men will know that you are my disciples if you hold the
teachings of the Church" or "hold the teachings
of the Bible" or "hold the teachings of Christian
theology" or even "hold the teachings of the Christian
religion." It is clear Jesus taught love as the way
to eternal life (Luke 10:25-28) and not theology:
"On one occasion an expert in the law stood
up to test Jesus.
he asked, 'What must
I do to inherit eternal life?'
is written in the law?' he replied. 'How do
you read it?'
"He answered: 'Love
the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your strength
and with all your mind, and,
love your neighbor
"You have answered
correctly," Jesus replied, "Do
this and you will live." (Luke 10:25-28)
Many critics are
completely ignorant about NDEs. Many refuse to find out
for themselves and test the spirits for themselves. Instead,
ignorant things are said about the NDE because it is not
judged by its fruit.
Other people affiliated with non-Christian religions
claim the Being of Light to be Buddha, or Krishna, or some
other religious figure. Certainly this should raise red
flags in a Christian's mind.
The only thing this proves is that there are many Beings
of Light appearing in NDEs. God is the light. Many beings
can manifest this light regardless of their religious affiliation
or church membership. Jesus himself had this to say about
Beings of Light:
are the light of the world. A city on a hill
cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a
lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put
it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone
in the house. In the same way, let your light
shine before men, that they may see your good
deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (Matthew
The professor sounds
as if he is either a religious bigot or religiously intolerant.
Jesus certainly taught religious tolerance. Jesus was a
Jew who was killed by religiously intolerant people.
The Jesus appearing in many NDEs is Satan trying to keep
people away from the Jesus of the Bible.
This is not true. The professor seeks to keep people away
from the Jesus appearing in NDEs. Jesus' gospel of unconditional
love was too dangerous for the political structure of the
religious establishment in his day. Jesus' message of unconditional
love found in NDEs is too dangerous for the political structure
of today's religious establishment. Ignorance prevented
the religious establishment from accepting the message of
Christ then; ignorance is preventing the religious establishment
in general from accepting the message of Christ in NDEs
First off, let me suggest that you not limit your search
for truth to near-death experiences only. Both spiritually
and academically, that may not yield you the most success.
Yes. I do not limit my search
for truth to only the NDE. This is why I believe one should
also consider science, philosophy, religion and other fields
of thought to find truth. It has been said beliefs can limit
an open mind. It is important to keep an open mind and to
be receptive to every concept and at the same time to be
the pure skeptic: neither accepting nor rejecting a concept
until it is proven true. It is good to have an opinion.
But when talking about truth, we must leave our opinions
to yourself. In this respect, it is a good idea to not believe
NDEs prove life after death exists. This has not yet been
proven to be true. The same is true for the Bible. Like
religion, the NDE has its own limitations. Especially in
that such experiences are often colored by the experiencers
own religion, philosophy, cultural background and perspective.
What is true for one experiencer may not be true for another
experiencer. Just like here on Earth, during a NDE it is
possible we generally create our own reality.
I think God's desire is that
ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
Coming to the knowledge of the truth occurs in only one
WAY - and that Way's Name is Jesus.
This may be true for you but
it may not be true for Jews, Hindus, or Buddhists for example.
Even Christians do not agree on virtually every doctrine
of the faith. We should understand the limitations concerning
dogma and the letter of the law. After all, Jesus emphasized
the spirit of the law rather than the letter. This is because
it is really love - not religious dogma or rituals - that
creates spirituality. Dogma can only help people come the
path of spirituality; but the religious structure itself
is not necessarily the way.
Jesus himself affirmed
that love for God and love for your neighbors is the way
to eternal life (Luke 10:25-28) John, the disciple who is
claimed to know best the love of Jesus said, "Everyone
who loves is born of God and knows God because God is love."
(1 John 4:7-8) Peter had this to say about it: "Truly
I perceive that God shows no partiality, but in every nation
anyone who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable
to Him." (Acts 10:34)
I am convinced that
Christianity was never meant to be the personality cult
it is today. I don't think Jesus was ego-centric when he
said, "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes
to the Father but by me." Like everything Jesus said
we must often try to understand the deeper spiritual meaning
behind the literal words.
It is evident the
Bible mentions that God is love, life, and light. It states
that this is true for the Jew as well as the Gentile. The
central focus of almost every major world religion is how
to attain at-one-ment with God - in the way that Jesus and
Buddha did - for example. According to many religions it
is love that is the central focus - love for God and love
for others. So when Jesus says he is the way, the truth
and the life, I interpret this to mean that Jesus shows
people the way to heaven through example. He is the example.
He is a pattern for which people can follow - unconditional
love through self-sacrifice and self-denial.
Do you suggest humans can love each other enough to be saved
and not need the BLOOD of Christ to cover their actions
and intents that are not lovely?
Would you be pleased if someone
tortured and killed your son so that you can forgive people?
What about slitting the throats of thousands of innocent
animals? Would you be pleased? Wouldn't you instead be horrified?
The Bible is filled
with symbols. The references to blood, the lamb, sacrifice,
the way, born again, baptism, etc.. are symbols that have
a deeper spiritual meaning. I don't believe the Christian
doctrine of salvation is through literally believing in
Jesus' name or believing things about Jesus or even worshipping
Jesus. My understanding is that sanctification comes by
emulating the love Jesus by practicing unconditional love.
Blood does not save us in a literal way. The death of Jesus
has a much deeper spiritual meaning. The blood of Jesus
demonstrates the self-sacrifice and self-denial we must
face in attaining divine unconditional love. Jesus taught
that we must all "take up our crosses and follow him."
Not in a literal sense, but in a spiritual sense. It is
by walking in love that we reach at-one-ment with God. Love
comes from God. (1 John 4:7) Everyone who loves knows God
because God is love. (1 John 4:7-8).
You receive the testimony of
men on matters of after-death experience, but you reject
the Living and enduring Word of God that abideth forever?
If by Word of God you mean a
book, then I have to tell you that I don't accept all of
it as fact. If by Word of God you mean the divinity which
was in Jesus then my answer is that I certainly don't reject
Jesus. However I am very interested in what others who have
been in the presence of Jesus on the other side have to
say. I don't limit God to a book.
I am coming on strong because
if you know what the WORD says, and you even use parts of
it in your web site ... you also know that it is better
to have a millstone tied around your neck and be cast into
the sea than to teach any little one to go astray. Love
is great - Love is Jesus - if you leave him and what he
accomplished on the Cross out of your theology - it is heresy.
Just get real with him and he will be REAL to you.
Again, the Word is God and not a book. You are worshipping
the Bible as the Word. The true Word is the Spirit of Jesus
- love. And God is love.
Concerning the cross
of Jesus there are some references to it found in NDEs.
Here are some of them:
Dr. George Rodonaia
You had a profound experience
with Christ that taught you that he is not the only way
of salvation? Sounds like error.
The Bible and NDEs show that
God is the way to heaven. God is love. Your religion is
the personality cult of Jesus. Jesus manifested love in
a way that perhaps relatively few people have. Again, the
way to heaven is love - just as Jesus taught in Luke 10:25-28.
This love is not limited to Christians or the Bible.
Actual first-hand experiences
can only be verified if they measure up to the BOOK.
Again you are worshipping a book
as the Word. The true Word is Jesus. It is not a book alone
that measures truth. Jesus stated that we must measure the
truthfulness or falsehood of things by the test he gave.
When the religious leaders were accusing Jesus of performing
miracles by the power of Satan, Jesus gave us the test.
Jesus said that a tree is known by its fruit. (Matt. 12:24-37)
A good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree
bear good fruit. What does Jesus mean by this? The fruit
of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, etc.. (Gal 5:22-23).
It is by their fruit that you will know whether they are
of God or not. Since the NDE bears much fruit of the Spirit
we know it is of God. Therefore it is not the Bible that
we measure truth. It is by the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
If NDEs don't show that Christ
shed his blood for our sins, and that the PERSON of JESUS
CHRIST is the ONLY WAY to heaven, then NDEs DO NOT show
You erroneously believe that
you are going to heaven because you worship Jesus. Reread
the gospels and you will see that Jesus said it is not those
who say, "Lord, Lord." Rather it is those who
do what Jesus commands. His command is love. God is love.
This is what gets you to heaven - walking in love as Jesus
did. Confessing Jesus with your lips is not going to get
There are NDEs that
deal with the sacrifice of Jesus. I already gave you all
the ones I have. There are numerous reasons why Jesus' death
benefited so many people. I already stated one of them and
that is that Jesus' self-sacrifice and live of love shows
us the way. Another reason is that Jesus' martyrdom was
greatly responsible for proliferating his teachings all
over the world. Jesus said that when he is lifted up he
will draw all men to himself.
Another reason Christ's
death helped humankind is that he presented a strong case
for life after death. Another reason is that Christ's death
helped demonstrate how sincere Christ was in his devotion
to God and how he was willing to die for his beliefs and
teachings. Only a sincere and truthful person would subject
themselves to such torture for the truthfulness of his teachings.
A fake would probably not die this way for a lie.
Another reason is
that Jesus emphasized the fact that God has forgiven us
and his life, death and teachings greatly gives us a reason
to believe it.
2 Corinthians 5:10 - "For
we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that
each one may receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad."
Although it is true that God
is the "Judge of all", the Bible also states that
God has already forgiven everyone. Jesus revealed in the
Bible that the Father judges no one. The Bible suggests
that God does not keep records of wrongs. Jesus revealed
that even he does not judge anyone. The Bible suggests that
people are judges of only themselves (self-condemnation).
The Judge has already
forgiven everyone. The Father judges no one.
the Father judges no one, but has entrusted
all judgment to the Son." (John 5:22)
God does not keep
records of wrongs:
[love] keeps no record of wrongs." (1 Corinthians
"God is love." (1
Neither does the
Son judge anyone:
judge by human standards; I pass judgment on
no one. But if I do judge, my decisions are
right, because I am not alone. I stand with
the Father, who sent me." (John 8:15-16)
in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, tell my
brother to divide the inheritance with me.'
Jesus replied, 'Man, who appointed me a judge
or an arbiter between you?' Then he said to
them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all
kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist
in the abundance of his possessions.' (Luke
the person who hears my words but does not keep
them, I do not judge him. For I did not come
to judge the world, but to save it." (John 12:47)
We judge only ourselves
is a judge for the one who rejects me and does
not accept my words; that very word which I
spoke will condemn him at the last day." (John
by your words you will be acquitted, and by
your words you will be condemned." (Matthew
a divisive person once, and then warn him a
second time. After that, have nothing to do
with him. You may be sure that such a man is
warped and sinful; he is self-condemned." (Titus
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn
the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but
whoever does not believe stands condemned already
because he has not believed in the name of God's
one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light
has come into the world, but men loved darkness
instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and
will not come into the light for fear that his
deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by
the truth comes into the light, so that it may
be seen plainly that what he has done has been
done through God." (John 3:17-21)
then is how we know that we belong to the truth,
and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence
whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater
than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear
friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we
have confidence before God." (1 John 3:19-21)
not know that the saints will judge the world?
And if you are to judge the world, are you not
competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not
know that we will judge angels?" (1 Corinthians
if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom
do your followers drive them out? So then, they
will be your judges." (Luke 11:19)
As far back as Colosse,
people were tripped up by things that seemed spiritual but
really only made people focus on themselves and move away
from Christ. You are high on experience and your own opinions
but you don't want to "limit Jesus to the Bible."
Then what Jesus do you emulate?
An experience with Jesus is what
saves you. Not a book. No matter how much you limit Jesus
to a book it won't do you any good unless you have an experience
Upon reading your comments I
was stirred to comment. You use the Holy Bible as a foundation
when quoting "Jesus is the way shower." Why do
you use the bible as an authority if you don't believe it
is the infallible word of God?
I don't believe the Bible
is God. The universe is a far greater revelation of God
than any book. The Bible as it exists today was put together
by the Pope. The Pope had many writings cut out which were
considered scripture in Jesus' day. For example, the Book
of Jude quotes from a book that was part of Hebrew canon
at the time of Jesus' ministry on Earth and for many years
after by early Christians. I am referring to the Book of
Enoch. Here is the quote in Jude 14-15 of 1 Enoch 1:9
the seventh [generation] from Adam Enoch also
prophesied these things, saying: 'Behold, the
Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute
judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly
of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed
in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh
things which ungodly sinners spoke against him'."
(Jude 14-15 )
Now if the Bible
quotes from the Book of Enoch then this means the Book of
Enoch is divinely inspired and should be included in the
Bible. The Book of Enoch existed centuries before the birth
of Christ and is considered by many to be more Christian
in its theology than Jewish. It is probably very certain
that Jesus read it and believed it to be scripture. It was
considered scripture by many early Christians. The earliest
writings of the Church Fathers is filled with references
to this book. The early second century Epistle of Barnabas
makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and third century
Church Fathers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen and
Clement of Alexandria all quote from the Book of Enoch.
Tertullian even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture".
It was widely known and read during the first three centuries
Book of Enoch and many other books became discredited and
declared heresy by the Pope during the Council of Laodicea.
After being banned by the Catholic Church it gradually passed
out of circulation. By studying more about the Roman Church's
tremendous influence in developing the New Testament canon,
you will agree that the New Testament was arbitrarily put
together by a few men who had tremendous power in deciding
what was the word of God and what wasn't. You can read more
The Bible, if you believe
the Bible, says, "There is ONE mediator between God
and man ... the man Christ Jesus." Find one mention
of Buddha or Mohammed or any other religion exempting Jesus
Christ as the son of God in the Bible. It's not there.
You believe you are saved
because you worship Jesus and read the Bible. I am saying
it takes more than that. It means taking up your own cross
and not relying solely on the cross of Jesus. You must walk
in love as Jesus commanded. It is love - not religious dogma
or the Bible - that creates spiritual growth. God is love
- not a Bible. Believing the Bible and worshipping Jesus
will get you nowhere. Jesus, like many other highly enlightened
spiritual leaders, affirmed that love for God and neighbors
is the way to eternal life. Since God is love those
who teach love are teaching God.
I am convinced that
Christianity was never meant to be the personality cult
it has been for thousands of years. Jesus was certainly
not ego-centric. Even when he claimed:
"I am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me."
Jesus taught must be understood on a deeper spiritual level.
It is evident the Bible mentions that God is love, life,
and light. The Bible mentions that these teachings is true
for the Jew as well as the Gentile. The central focus of
many religions around the world is how humans can attain
at-one-ment with God. Practically every religion teaches
that love is the way to at-one-ment - love for God and love
for others. So when Jesus says he is the way, the truth
and the life, I interpret this to mean that Jesus shows
people the way to at-one-ment. He is the example and the
pattern to live your life as. That life is love. Buddha
and Krishna taught the same teaching that living a life
of love is what matters.
As for "finding
one mention of Buddha or Mohammed or any other religion
exempting Jesus Christ as the son of God in the Bible,"
I don't believe any religion exempts Jesus as the son of
God with the possible exception of Judaism, whose followers
generally exempts Jesus as the Messiah. And worshipping
anyone leads nowhere.
There is only one original
word of God documented back 1000's of years ago ... long
before counterfeits came in to establish themselves. Jesus
said the road is narrow. If you could get to heaven through
any and all religions ... it would make the road WIDE and
Hitler, Osama, Saddam, etc. would be saved and heaven-bound
for they are "religious!"
The Word is not a book!
If you think otherwise you are worshipping a book and not
Jesus. Jesus himself is the Word - and the Word is God -
and God is love. According to the Bible, the Word of God
is the Logos, the Spirit of Jesus, the only one original
Word of God (see Revelation 19:13).
taught a gospel that is love - a love that loves everyone,
wills to save everyone and actually saves everyone.
To me, religion has never saved
one soul. Jesus has saved many.
But don't you see that
by saying that Jesus, as a personality, is the way to heaven
you are making religion a very very important part of salvation.
Granted, no religion is the way to eternal life including
Buddhism - Christianity - Hinduism etc., because the way
to heaven is love [God]. Love is universal. It is not limited
to only Christians. God does not love only Christians. God
loves the whole world and it is dishonoring to God to think
that God loves everyone but throws the vast majority of
humanity into hell for not believing or hearing about the
name of Jesus.
Religion is man trying
in vain to live a perfect life to make heaven.
I disagree. If this is
true than you would have to say that the religion of taking
your cross and following Jesus is in vain. Most religions
teach the importance of love. Religions only point they
way to heaven: love. Many religious doctrines in themselves,
such as believing that Jesus died for our sins or that we
must worship Jesus, are trying in vain to reach heaven.
Remember, it is faith AND works. Not faith alone. Even demons
believe in God.
He is God in the flesh.
And the only one!
Not so! Yes, Jesus is
the son of God; but we too are sons of God. God lives in
us through love. Even Jesus said that God was within us:
are not stoning you for any of these,' replied
the religious leaders, 'but for blasphemy, because
you, a mere man, claim to be God.'
Jesus answered them,
'Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said
If he called them gods, to whom the word of
God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken
- what about the one whom the Father set apart
as his very own and sent into the world? Why
then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I
said, 'I am God's SON?'" (John 10:33-36)
"I said, 'You
you are all
of the Most High.'" (Psalm 82:6)
you are sons,
God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,
the Spirit who calls out, 'Abba, Father.'" (Galatians
The main debate after the death
of Christ was the nature of Christ. Was Christ God in the
flesh, or was Christ as man who manifested the Spirit of
God in a manner very unique. I have evidence to believe
that Jesus was a man who manifested the Spirit of God in
a unique manner.
May I ask you sir, do
you believe that John 3:16 is the exact message God intended? "For
God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son
that whosoever believeth (has faith) ... (opposite of doubt)
... in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Yes I believe John 3:16
is the heart of Jesus' message and the gospel. I believe
it wholeheartedly. It says that God loves the world (every
human being who ever lived). He gave us his Son to bring
humanity the message of this unconditional love that God
has for the world. Whoever believes in Him will not perish
but have eternal life. Now, the question is this: What does
it mean to "believe in him?"
What does it mean to
"believe in Jesus?"
To believe Jesus existed (and nothing more.)
To believe in his name? (There is power in the
name of Jesus.)
To believe things about Jesus? (Jesus is Lord,
God and Savior.)
To believe in his redemptive work on the cross?
(I've been washed in the blood of the Lamb.)
To believe you must worship Jesus? (Praise his
To believe in the Bible? (The Word of God, Jesus
is the Word.")
To believe you must be a Christian? (Reading
the Bible and going to church.)
I think the answer is no to all
of these. Isn't Jesus saying that whosoever believes in
my message by taking up their own cross and following him
in a life of love for God and others? After all, if faith
is all that is needed then even the demons will be saved.
Faith alone is not enough. Faith without works is dead.
Christians believe we must be baptized to be saved. Some
believe we must speak in tongues. Some believe we must believe
Jesus is God. Some believe we must worship Jesus. Some believe
we must be a member of a particular church. People believe
religion is the way to heaven. But unless the religion you
practice is unconditional love then you are not following
in Jesus' footsteps.
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in
God, and God in him." (1 John 4:16)
is love - love for God and love for others. This is the
way to eternal life. This is the gospel that Jesus taught
(see the Sermon on the Mount)
Do you also take the approach:
I do not deny or affirm this concerning basic salvation
doctrine? Because according to this particular word of God
there is no option to deny or affirm.
I don't believe any religious
doctrine is the way to eternal life. Only practicing what
Jesus taught and lived - love for others and God - is the
way to eternal life. Not a lifestyle. Not something we profess
with our lips our believe in our head. Not worship. It is
walking as Jesus did in unconditional love for everyone.
Otherwise, the maybe or
maybe not approach to this particular scripture would land
you in hell. I pray not Kevin.
The gospel you believe
is that worshipping Jesus and believing he is Lord is the
way to heaven. But unless you are taking up your own cross
and following Jesus - not just letting Jesus do all the
work - then it is you who are going to hell. Faith alone
can land you in hell. Even demons have faith in God. Instead
of heaven, some people create hell within themselves because
they do not live the example that Jesus gave us - a life
of love for God and others. It is true that having unconditional
love for everyone is a very high goal; but it is the standard
that Jesus taught - love for even your enemies. Believing
Jesus is Lord is no ticket to heaven. Demons know Jesus
I wanted to know what
you make of this verse:
it is by grace you have been saved, through
faith - and this not of yourselves, it is the
gift of God - not by works, so that no one can
boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
This clearly shows
that to get to heaven you are not saved by your works -
but by Jesus Christ. I do not believe in what your site
states about the way to get to heaven. The only way to heaven
is through Jesus Christ. God sent him to die on the cross
so we could go to heaven to live with God when we die. If
Jesus never came we would all go to hell.
In the above verse, Paul declares
that salvation is by faith alone. This is in complete contradiction
with the teachings of Jesus and the other apostles who knew
Jesus and his teachings much more than Paul did. Paul also
got into disputes with the other apostles who believed salvation
was based on good works and faith, not by faith alone:
"You see that a person
is justified by what he does and not by faith
alone." (James 2:24)
Some Bible scholars
believe that Paul hijacked the Christianity taught by Jesus
and his apostles. Paul was a self-appointed apostle who
taught that following the law no longer applied and that
Judaism is no longer relevant to Christians. However it
is clear that Jesus never taught that the law no longer
applied and he never repudiated Judaism or the law. Jesus
was a Jew. Paul was constantly in conflict the Jews and
the apostles in his day because Paul taught that the law
no longer applied. But it is clear from Jesus' teachings
in the gospel that Jesus taught how salvation is by good
works. In fact, Jesus emphasized good works over faith all
This of course means that
the Bible is fallible.
This agrees with the fact that there are many contradictions
and errors in the Bible. In my opinion, Paul's teachings
are in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus. And
there are many contradictions between the teachings of Jesus
and the teachings of Paul. Again Paul never knew Jesus except
in a vision. The authority of the other apostles should
be held in much greater respect than Paul. Here are just
a few contradictions between the teachings of Jesus and
"For it is by grace you have been saved,
through faith -- and this not from yourselves,
it is the gift of GOD -- not by works,
so that no one can boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
see that a person is justified by what he
does and not by faith alone." (James
And if by grace, then it is no longer
by works. (Romans 11:6)
Then the King will say to those on his right, "Come,
you who are blessed by my Father; take your
inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since
the creation of the world. For I was hungry
and you gave me something to eat, I was
thirsty and you gave me something to
drink, I was a stranger and you invited me
in, I needed clothes and you clothed me,
I was sick and you looked after me, I
was in prison and you came to visit me."
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified
by faith without the deeds of the law."
"Think not that I am come to destroy the
law, or the prophets I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfill. For verily I say to you,
till heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no way pass from the law,
until all be fulfilled. Whoever shall break
one of these least commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least in the
kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and
teach them, the same shall be called great in
the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-19)
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse
of the law, being made a curse for us for
it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs
on a tree." (Galatians 3:13)
"On one occasion an expert
in the law stood up to test Jesus. 'Teacher,'
he asked, 'What must I do to inherit eternal
life?' 'What is written in the law?'
he replied. 'How do you read it?' He answered,
Lord your God with all your heart and
with all your soul and with all your strength
and with all your mind, and, love
your neighbor as yourself.' 'You
have answered correctly,' Jesus replied, 'Do
this and you will live.'"
"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile
sinners' know that a man is not justified
by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus
Christ." (Galatians 2:15-16)
"Not everyone who says to
me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but only he who does the will of
my Father who is in heaven. Many will say
to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy
in your name, and in your name drive out demons
and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell
them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me,
you evildoers!' Therefore everyone who hears
these words of mine and puts them into practice
is like a wise man who built his house on the
rock. The rain came down, the streams rose,
and the winds blew and beat against that house;
yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation
on the rock. But everyone who hears these words
of mine and does not put them into practice
is like a foolish man who built his house on
sand. The rain came down, the streams rose,
and the winds blew and beat against that house,
and it fell with a great crash." (Matthew 7:21-27)
"But join with me in suffering for the gospel,
by the power of God, who has saved us and called
us to a holy life - not because of anything
we have done but because of his own purpose
and grace." (2 Timothy 1:8-9)
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory
of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works."
"Therefore no one will be declared righteous
in his sight by observing the law; rather,
through the law we become conscious of sin."
"One of the teachers of the law came and
heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had
given them a good answer, he asked him, 'Of
all the commandments, which is the most important?'
'The most important one,' answered Jesus, 'is
this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the
Lord is one. Love
the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your mind
and with all your strength.' The second is this,
'Love your neighbor
as yourself.' There is no commandment greater
than these.' 'Well said, teacher,' the man
replied. 'You are right in saying that God is
one and there is no other but him. To love him
with all your heart, with all your understanding
and with all your strength, and to love your
neighbor as yourself is more important than
all burnt offerings and sacrifices.' When Jesus
saw that he had answered wisely, he said to
him, 'You are not far from the kingdom of
God.'" (Mark 12:28-34)
We can conclude from
this, despite fallibility of some of Paul's letters, acts
of good works and obeying the law and following the commandments
of Jesus are very necessary and an important part of our