The following is a discussion with
George Anderson by
the radio and television talk show host Joel Martin as written in the book entitled,
Don't Die, by Joel Martin and Patricia
Romanowski. George Anderson is perhaps
America's greatest and most famous psychic who has amazing paranormal abilities with the
spirits of the deceased. His abilities are so great, he was once hired by the NYPD
Homicide Department to solve unsolved murders. His abilities have been profiled on
many television and radio shows as well. In these pages, he answers some questions about
the afterlife thereby shedding some light on the near-death experience. I
highly recommend all the books written by Joel Martin and Patricia Romanowski about George
are not Forgotten, Love
Beyond Life, and Our
Children Forever. George Anderson's latest book is entitled, Walking in the Garden of Souls.
The following is
a question and answer session between Joel Martin and George Anderson:
is it that we go when we die? Does the other side tell you where we're
Well, according to what they say, go through the different levels of consciousness.
We're working our way up. It's like, to go up to the twelfth grade, you've got to
pass the first through the eleventh. When we pass on, we do go into the tunnel, we
can go through these little darker levels, which can represent a form of hell or
purgatory, because these are the two negative levels, or the darker ones. But if we've
been a good person, we generally just seem to pass through them very quickly and then we
go on through the third and fourth levels of consciousness, where average
people such as ourselves go - not everybody can be a Mother Teresa, who
would probably go higher up. When we go through these
levels we meet our relatives and friends greeting us at the end of the tunnel,
much as in the movie Resurrection, where
they're waiting and they lead us into the light. And there's like a form of spiritual
rejuvenation, like a reunion, like a party, 'Hey, it's great to see you again.' We
recognize each other by personality. As we all have individual, unique
fingerprints, we each have a very singular personality. There's no physical body, but there's a spiritual
body that may take on a physical form, but to tell you the truth, I think
that's only during a reading, so I can see and describe what the person
being read can understand.
speaking, where is it? Is it the stereotypical heaven, somewhere up above
that the next dimension is here, it runs parallel to this one. Making the
transition seems to be more like a heavenly experience than a trip to the
Hollywood-style heaven. I think that the reason we have the sense of being
uplifted or believe that heaven is up is that we feel a sense of being
uplifted in the next stage of life. When we become one in the next
dimension, we feel that we understand everything, we feel spiritually and
emotionally uplifted. That's probably where the conception of going up
Can the spirits come
right out and tell you what the other side is like, or do you have to put
It depends on their
degree of awareness and consciousness. Somebody may be having a different,
subjective experience over there, so they would have a different
interpretation of it. It's just as it is here with us. For example, I'll
look at the sky today and describe the color as sky blue. Yet if there's a
different shade tinted in it, or the sun moves a little, or you look up
even five seconds later, you could say it's more turquoise, or powder
blue. The same thing could be happening on the other side.
I've never really heard
any complaints about the other side, unless the person has gone over there
and into the darker levels, for committing some serious crime, hurting
people, or committing suicide. Generally, thought, most spirits I've heard
from seem to be very happy, very content, very much at peace, very aware
and knowing of themselves, even if they were very negative and very
unhappy here. They seem to be aware of a lot of knowledge and to
understand it all there more than we do here.
Learning and growing seem to be what it's all about there. And they are able to
understand themselves, if they want to. I've been told by the other side that you have to
make a prime decision over there. You have to face up to yourself and do something
about it, otherwise you'll just flounder and you won't progress spiritually. That
seems to be a very important issue, to recognize yourself, your positive qualities and
your negative ones, and try to do something about it. I've also been told that they have
tasks, jobs to do over there. For example, David Licata told us that he
works with children and animals who have crossed over. It's like having a
job here, you just take on a spiritual job in the next stage of life,
where you earn your soul progression by helping others crossing over, by
helping people here find their way spiritually, helping people there to
find their way spiritually, to be involved in various sorts of
matter what level you're on to be able to communicate?
be inclined not to come to me if you're on one of the darker levels. I
would not be attracting anything that would be negative, so if you're on
the darker or the lower levels, unless it's for a specific spiritual
purpose, I would not discern you. A Hitler, to take one extreme, would put
himself in such a state of darkness that he would literally not be able to
suicide, for example, remain on that dark plain?
perpetually. Through their own free will, they can progress. This is why
it's so important that people, no matter what your religious belief or
persuasion, even if you're an atheist, remember to pray for those who have passed on. Because that
embraces them in love and encourages them to progress. The problem that the suicide faces
in the next dimension is that, when you arrive in the next level, it's not the pretty
sight that the average passing can be. Their problem is that they cannot forgive
themselves. When someone comes through in a reading and is starting to make me feel
as if they've taken their own life.
You feel like you're in the presence of a
ghost. There's a chilling feeling. And it's very important that those coming through
acknowledge what they've done. It's like getting up and saying, 'I'm an alcoholic.' Coming
forward and saying, 'I have taken my own life.' A friend of mine who had
recently taken his life came through and did not know how to go into the light. I
kept telling him to go forward to the light, but he was afraid of judgment. He
couldn't forgive himself. Also, he was having a problem with the fact that after he
had taken his own life, his spirit obviously lingered around the scene of the act. He
could not overcome the memory of his father's discovering him, and that was haunting him
emotionally to a tremendous degree in the next dimension. What he and many of us
don't understand is that there is judgment there, but it is not done by God on a
throne. Judgment rests basically with yourself. And we all know that the greatest
enemy we can face is ourselves.
It can take eons of time as we
understand it before they go into the light. It depends on the person. You're in control.
You hold the reins. Those who've come through those darker levels have said that they've
had to face themselves and realize that if they don't shape up, in other words, learn more
about themselves, they're not getting anywhere.
they able to face themselves on the other side if they weren't able to do
so here? What changes?
One of the
things that the higher entities in the next dimension say is that we can
very easily cheat others, but we can never cheat ourselves or God.
I went to one level and a relative of mine has gone to another level, how
do we communicate?
again, part of it seems to be a matter of progression. For example, if
your mother's on the fifth and your father's on the fourth, your mother
can come down to your father's plane, but your father cannot go up to her
plane until it's earned. So a lot of souls are inclined to dawdle on the
fourth or fifth plane until someone they love very much joins them and
becomes equal with them on that level so that they can work spiritually
over there, do we main the relationships we had here?
that you might be inclined to be close to a soul over there that you were
close to here because you're on the same vibration, or wavelength. For
example, most of us have a friend who we feel is closer to us, more like
family than someone in our own family. So do they, but they also seem to
learn to love one another completely and equally, even though there may be
a time when they're more attracted to a single individual.
some spirits may choose to remain on the other side indefinitely, while
others remain. When a spirit does come back, does it
always come back to the same family it was with before, the same parents,
the same loved ones?
seem to stay together with the same people that we felt close with - birds
of a feather flock together. We may have different parents, our brother or
sister could be our parent next time. But we do seem to stay with the same
other souls that we feel a certain affinity with, or a good vibration
with. This may explain why we feel closer with our sister than our
brother, or why you feel we've always been together with the same people
from the beginning, but maybe we meet different people along the line, who
would highlight, enhance, or play an important role in our lives at that
come back and some don't? What determines that?
several things. They say it's best not to try to come back right away,
they say it's best to hang out over there for a while, to rest, reflect,
gain some knowledge and experience, so that you're more prepared for your
next lifetime, and you'll be better able to fulfill what you want to
accomplish. But they do say that it's up to you. A lot of the souls seem
to go there and come back right away. Say you've been killed in a war and
you feel cheated in your life. You want to come back out of hostility and
anxiety. It's better to throw off the negativity and come back in a more
in a positive frame of mind.
other side, certain souls have said that they're going to wait out
their time there. They have decided not to come back, even though it could
take eons of time as we understand it to work out soul growth over there.
On the other side you're not subjected to temptation, whereas here we've
dealing with a positive and negative vibration of discord, which can be
difficult, as many of us will attest. But a lot of souls I've spoken to
have said 'no way,' they don't want to be tested to go into the flesh
again, they just want to stay there and just work it out as long as it
From: "We Don't Die: George Anderson's Conversations with the Other Side," by Joel Martin and Patricia Romanowski
Copyright 1987, G. P. Putnam & Sons.
"Death is nothing else but going home to God, the bond of love will be unbroken for all eternity." -
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